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The weeks up to  2nd February 2000

Over the years on my numerous trips to the States I would look in at a RV  Dealer and catch up on what was the latest in RV's of all sorts.

One Motor home stood out in the fact that it had "everything" fitted (as did most) but it had the feature that it was only 24 feet long and that was a major fact in the country of 40 foot RV's.

This was the Trek pathfinder model 2430. they also made them in Diesel which was a attraction considering I would consider taking it to Europe.   My memory of Europe and petrol was the impression that each time I filled up the 4x4 that was pulling the Caravan I thought I was buying the oil well!!

So I entered the words "Safari + Trek" and was offered trips to Africa!....then I added another word (what it was I have forgotten) and was presented with quite a assortment of new and near new Trek's.   Also found a site of a couple who ended up with a lemon call Trek.   I think this "Lemon" is relevant as one always needs to ask "what is the worst thing that can happen" and this must be IT. If you can handle all of this then buy one!  Their troubles made rather scary reading....put me off the Chev Diesels...

Then I found a site that people could do reviews of M/H's that they owned.... found a three who had bought Trek's so sent emails off to them to see how they faired.   The reply's came back fast...

  1. ... I have the gas model and the air cleaner is located back of the right front wheel. Hard rain results in a soaked air filter and a replacement (or at least dry) filter. I've not replaced it myself yet but marveled at the contortions of a tech to get to the filter w/o removing the wheel. Of course, there is no spare tire with the rig and no lug wrench (would you say "spanner"??) so removing wheels is not possible unless you have invested in the appropriate tools.

    I have replaced the CB antenna three times now... I don't tow although I plan to soon. Gas mileage is good (8-9mpg). Speaking of gas, one problem we had immediately was the gas fill line. We have a 97 model (28 ft). Gas fill is located by the entrance door; however, the fill line originally ran uphill. In order to fuel up the coach we had to raise the passenger side with the jacks to pump in the gas. This was "fixed" by the dealer but the problem still occurs occasionally.

    All this considered, I'd buy another Trek (not new and never from XXXXXX)
    The design is superb. The fit and finish is generally well above Wxxxxxxo type products. Our bathroom is huge and the
    galley space is great. The company needs a swift kick in the ass about customer service and tech support (most simply claim ignorance). The folks on that website must have been full-timers; they surely put lots of miles on the coach. Mine is parked 8 months of the year and used steadily for 2.5 months in the summer and on weekends in the spring and fall.
  2. I have only owned the Trek for about 6 months but we love everything about it except for the power climbing some of the mountains here. My engine and chassis are very different from the Chevy described on the web page. My engine and drive train are Isuzu - very reliable and solid. it is actually a truck chassis and is, as far as I can tell, very solid. I have had no engine or mechanical problems (other than a broken cable on my dash air conditioner). The fit and finish of the interior is wonderful and it looks like it is less than a year old.
  1. All  that being said, it is very interesting that you emailed me today. we spent the day looking at new safari's - the Sahara to be exact. Why? because of the power. One of the big reasons I bought a RV was to tow my Jeep into the desert areas to go rock and mountain climbing. The trek does great pulling my jeep on level ground - I don't even know it is being towed behind me. however, when I get to a 5-6% grade, I slow down to as much as 25-30mph while everyone else is whizzing by me at 50-60mph. we don't feel safe driving so slow up the grade. So it looks like we will be trading in our beloved Trek for a slightly larger (30 feet vs. 28 feet) but drastically more powerful (300 hp Caterpillar diesel) engine. we will miss some of the space but will feel safer.

    I would not hesitate to recommend the Isuzu Trek to anyone as long as they were comfortable not going fast up the grades. the size, comfort, reliability, looks, quality and mileage (11-14.5 miles / gallon - not sure how many kilometers per liter that is!) are all outstanding. 

  2. I have not experienced the problems that were listed by valley.net. My coach is a gas engine. I have had very good luck with the coach and can highly recommend it. Motor homes are rolling houses and do require constant tightening and checking of the components. I hope this helps

  3. The "Lemon Trek" owners said..Sorry to dampen your enthusiasm for the Trek. I purchased it for essentially the same reasons you mentioned, and we have been very happy with the interior design, and have not found another design that so closely matches our needs. For that reason we still have the RV. I keep thinking that the problems will end, but unfortunately they do not.


More on a Trek

Dale DeRemer is a retiring college professor who has written 5 books ranging from "Aircraft Systems for Pilots" to "Global Navigation". At the moment he is spending a lot of re time, trying to understand fulltiming, and learning in depth about his Safari Trek Coach. He's offered to share his
expertise with our readers who may have an interest Trek.
deremer@aero.und.edu


I purchased a 2002 2430 in California last month. The next day I noticed that my instrument cluster was metric. I called workhorse, they checked my coach I.D. # and found that Monaco had ordered this coach with the metric 49 state emissions for Canadian delivery. I can not legaly register it in CA. So far, Monaco says "tough".
Help.Thanks, Bill


Notes from a "Happy" Trek owner

The reason why I decided on Trek. We have friends that have had different units during the last 25 years, with the new one having everything we need. But, within 6 months had sold it and looked for another unit. During that 25 years they went though about 14-15 units, from Class B to Class C and trailers. When they bought their Isuzu chassis Trek they again said it had everything they needed. After having had it for over 2 years they still had it. What better recommendation could I have. They still have it 2 1/2 years later and are still happy and content except for the hard truck ride from the solid truck axle.

We have had our 1999 Safari Trek 2480, 6.5 diesel model since Mar. 2000. I wasn't intending to buy new, but the salesman convince me that the price they were charging was like used, and it was. It had been used for demo purposes and never sold. The salesman, Bill Young, was extremely helpful and was able to get many of the warranty problems corrected when others at the dealership were not helpful. Since then he has retired and the Steve Austin has closed his shop in Irvine, CA.

It has not been all positive or negative. The power thing was a problem until about 14,500 miles. Then it appeared it was suddenly broken in or whatever. Either I have gotten used to it or the break-in was attributable. I usually tow a Chevrolet Geo Tracker that I don't even know is there. Only a slight difference in speed on 5-6% grades. I am able to maintain speeds minimums of 35 MPH on the Grapevine or Cajon Passes. Still not the 50 MPH I would like, but still OK by me. My mileage started at about 9.0 to 9.3 MPG. Since the 14,500 mile mark we now are getting 10.9 to 11.3 MPG, even towing. My first thought was that I had a tune-up, but hadn't.

My major complaint from the on-set was steering. Wandering all over the road making me work as I never intended to do again. Put on Safety Plus and Henderson rear Stabilizer bar, with some improvement. Complained to the Chevrolet dealers, three of them, but the last one found the idler arm bearing were worn and replace them, under warranty. Since then, I am not bother with the steering concerns any more.

I also had an occasional problem with sewer gas in the coach. Tried everything from extra through cleaning and most all chemicals available, to checking out the vent pipe. Called Safari tech service and got one of their better techs. He suggested I take it to Giant RV in Upland and have them call him. They found the vent pipe from the black water tank to the rear of the lav was OK, but from there it had a negative flow. When ever liquid got in that negative area it stopped the gas flow to the outside. So we got the smell in the coach. That appears to be corrected now.

My thought is that Safari needed better quality control at that time, both at the factory and the dealers shops. Quality control costs money, but not nearly as much as the bad mouthing a dissatisfied customer can loose them in future sales and market share. Hopefully Monaco will improve that area so new owners don't have experience the problems of the past. This is probably not a reasonable expectation though.

Chuck Williamson

I have had many other problems that I have found easier to fix myself rather the dealer.
We still like it and the enjoyment of it is even getting better.



 

So from most of the comments I have received it would appear that often the dealer does a good job of selling the product but looses the client on service... this is unforgivably true, too often, everywhere...

I had very positive feedback from the Editor of TREK TALK Newsletter, tells me they are very sound and of the 80 owner he knows 20% trade in each year for new models of Trek's so that is very positive.

What do I like about the Pathfinder 2430 so much that I would with this information carry on looking to buy one ...The size and they layout it seems hard to get anything approaching this unit.

At this point I thought perhaps I will find out where I can buy one....I already had a list that I had built up from the internet so I emailed Safari asking for a dealers list and asking for comments about the problems of the "Lemon called Trek"

To date I have had no satisfactory reply about why the lemon "Happened" and on my request for a list of dealers well words fail me...would you send a reply like this?

I am in the Sales/Marketing Dept for SMC Corp.

We do not give out a list of dealers. What we do here is connect the customer with a dealer in your area. We usually go by zip codes for this procedure. As we do not have dealers outside the Continental US we do not send out information packs either. When you get to the US if you will please let us know the area you are in, by zip code or state and city, we will be glad to give you the name of a dealer in that area.

Thank you for your interest.

Have a nice evening.

So no reply on the Lemon, No you can't have a list of Dealers, No we won't send you any information on what you want to buy, (but have a nice evening).... just fly to the States...when you get there telephone us and we will tell you if you have chosen a city where we have a dealer....Wow! Russian roulette Safari style. They really are out there helping their dealers making sales. Perhaps they don't want to issue a list in case purchasers trade one dealer off against another....

I want to fly into the States, to a area that is "user friendly" to foreigners for all of the red tape involved in insurance etc, to a location where I know there will be a Trek of the model I require, that is available.  I would want to buy off a Dealer that knows that I am coming that has agreed there will be no "stuffing" around like has happened to other Trek owners.    But No help from Safari! You're on your own Kid !

So it looks like I will have to get back onto the internet and start looking.

Visit the Trek website

Visit TREK TRACKS Message board... a must

 


 

Check out my points rating for 

Motorhomes compared with
Caravans (Trailers) compared with
UK Via USA made compared with
5th wheel


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Safarifriends/ for lots of Trek info. Also
get subscription to TREK TALK newsletter from Trektalk@earthlink.net. This
is Trek specific info and well worth it for the $12.00/YEAR cost (in the
USA). We own a '93 Safari Kalahari 30ft 6.5Turbo pusher. This was a
limited production coach tha combined many Trek features including the MAGIC BED on a Spartan (vs GMC) chassis. Had few problems with the Safari built systems, but many with the powertrain until I made the modifications that were recommended by the DIESEL PAGE. Used Treks in the $40-60,000 range are a good choice. In addition, since MONACO purchased Safari I have heard nothing but good about factory service and support. RUSSELL WARREN


I own a Safari Sahara but have many friends that own Treks. ("Trekees") They all love 'em! They have what are called Trek Fun Clubs where they get together to party and talk Treks and compare coaches. The only reason anyone I know traded in their Treks was for more room. I know one couple that lives in their 24' Trek full time. Another spend about 6 months of the year in thiers. To enjoy a Trek one must come to terms with the Magic Bed. You either love it, or hate it. If my wife and I went to bed at the same time AND watched the same TV programs.... we'd probably be Trekees.

The Banks Engineering exhaust system does wonders for power/performance of the Chevy 454 cid engine. It consists mainly of exhaust headers, full flow thru muffler(s), can include dual exhausts, better intake air filters, etc. All of which relieve exhaust pressure.

Most hereabouts do not prefer the diesel versions. The Isuzu is notoriously underpowered and only found in older coaches.

Even Trekees consider the price ($112,000+) of the new Treks to be excessive. Also, almost unanimously they do not like the 2001/2002 Trek with the sloped front. That is why the new 2003 Trek goes back to the straight front of the earlier Treks.

martysusrv.com is another Safari site. Bob Reed, Nashua, NH, US


Notes from a "Happy" Trek owner

As a Trek owner I enjoyed your very unbiased trip through Trekland.
I Love my Trek (a 1994 Izusu Diesel with Magic Bed AND rear twin beds!)
This model ain't the greatest mountain climber but it gets there. You learn how to use the "running start" going up a hill and the "jake brake" using the engine to brake down hill. I have traversed the Rocky Mountains and managed to get to the Telluride, Colorado film festival at an altitude of about 11,000 feet! I have driven the Trek about 50,000 miles in two years. One flat tire. I now have the Safety Plus steering assist and new Bilstein shock absorbers (custom made by Bilstein for the Trek Isuzu) and it improved the steering 50%, (Actually a lot more but I want to be conservative!). I have had some leaking problems with the roof.
Actually it was around where the awning is attached. And around the TV antenna., I am not a full timer or a part timer....I am an "any time I can- ner". But I have averaged 25,000 miles a year. A trip around the world. We are in the TV production business and use it to travel to locations. Once during a rain storm we had 11 people sleeping in beds, sleeping bads and even on the front console and chairs. Currently my plan is to repaint the lower third of the unit as it is a bit tarnished as the decals have crackled in a few places. Mileage is an honest 12 mpg of number 2 diesel. (Last summer our long 3,500 mile trip was an average of $1.20 (US) a gallon!). The Trek Fun Clubs are great. The SouthEastern Trek Fun Club has a pre-rally (meeting before the Eastern Homecoming of Safari/ Monaco at Cypress Gardens, Florida) Jan. 21st I believe. As a Trekker you'd enjoy the Fun Clubs. Lots of good help from other Trekkers on how to modify and maintain their coaches. And, great people. Any couple (man and wife) (single with significant other) or (man and man) (woman and woman!) that can live together in the Trek has got to be compatible with a harmonius relationship!
Ivan. As we say: "KEEP ON TREKKIN'" MELVYNBS@AOL.COM
MEL SMITH


Width of Trek's

Treks, the Iszui chassis, 1991 to 1994 were 90" wide.

The P-30/32 chassis, 1995 to 2002 are 96" wide

In 2003 Monaco built all their units 100.5 inches wide.


The RV Rating book arrived today and the state......Because of its wheelbase it was considered dangerous!   They issued a cautionary note on its payload.  It had a highway safety factor of 43%  and on a one to five star rating with five star being tops it had no stars.      Since writing this I have spoken with people that own a Trek and it would appear that there is a difference in Theory & practice.... if I was in the market for a M/H I would possibly consider a Trek whoever the back service still seems to be a problem....there does appear to be a problem with some aspects of its finish! (2002)I do beleive the ownership has changed and so the service has changed to the better, it is only a rumour.