| The weeks
up to 2nd February 2000
Over
the years on my numerous trips to the States I would look in at
a RV Dealer and catch up on what was the latest in RV's
of all sorts.
One Motor
home stood out in the fact that it had "everything"
fitted (as did most) but it had the feature that it was only 24
feet long and that was a major fact in the country of 40 foot
RV's.
This
was the Trek pathfinder model 2430. they also made them in Diesel
which was a attraction considering I would consider taking it
to Europe. My memory of Europe and petrol was the
impression that each time I filled up the 4x4 that was pulling
the Caravan I thought I was buying the oil well!!
So I
entered the words "Safari + Trek" and was offered trips
to Africa!....then I added another word (what it was I have forgotten)
and was presented with quite a assortment of new and near new
Trek's. Also found a site of a couple who ended up
with a lemon call Trek. I think this "Lemon" is relevant as one always needs
to ask "what is the worst thing that can happen" and
this must be IT. If you can handle all of this then buy one! Their troubles made rather scary reading....put me off
the Chev Diesels...
Then
I found a site that people could do reviews of M/H's that they
owned.... found a three who had bought Trek's so sent emails off
to them to see how they faired. The reply's came back
fast...
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I have the gas model and the air cleaner is located back of
the right front wheel. Hard rain results in a soaked air filter
and a replacement (or at least dry) filter. I've not replaced
it myself yet but marveled at the contortions of a tech to get
to the filter w/o removing the wheel. Of course, there is no
spare tire with the rig and no lug wrench (would you say "spanner"??)
so removing wheels is not possible unless you have invested
in the appropriate tools.
I have replaced the CB antenna three times now... I don't tow
although I plan to soon. Gas mileage is good (8-9mpg). Speaking
of gas, one problem we had immediately was the gas fill line.
We have a 97 model (28 ft). Gas fill is located by the entrance
door; however, the fill line originally ran uphill. In order
to fuel up the coach we had to raise the passenger side with
the jacks to pump in the gas. This was "fixed" by
the dealer but the problem still occurs occasionally.
All this considered, I'd buy another Trek (not new and never
from XXXXXX)
The design is superb. The fit and finish is generally well above
Wxxxxxxo type products. Our bathroom is huge and the
galley space is great. The company needs a swift kick in the
ass about customer service and tech support (most simply claim
ignorance). The folks on that website must have been full-timers;
they surely put lots of miles on the coach. Mine is parked 8
months of the year and used steadily for 2.5 months in the summer
and on weekends in the spring and fall.
- I
have only owned the Trek for about 6 months but we love everything
about it except for the power climbing some of the mountains
here. My engine and chassis are very different from the Chevy
described on the web page. My engine and drive train are Isuzu
- very reliable and solid. it is actually a truck chassis and
is, as far as I can tell, very solid. I have had no engine or
mechanical problems (other than a broken cable on my dash air
conditioner). The fit and finish of the interior is wonderful
and it looks like it is less than a year old.
All
that being said, it is very interesting that you emailed me
today. we spent the day looking at new safari's - the Sahara
to be exact. Why? because of the power. One of the big reasons
I bought a RV was to tow my Jeep into the desert areas to
go rock and mountain climbing. The trek does great pulling
my jeep on level ground - I don't even know it is being towed
behind me. however, when I get to a 5-6% grade, I slow down
to as much as 25-30mph while everyone else is whizzing by
me at 50-60mph. we don't feel safe driving so slow up the
grade. So it looks like we will be trading in our beloved
Trek for a slightly larger (30 feet vs. 28 feet) but drastically
more powerful (300 hp Caterpillar diesel) engine. we will
miss some of the space but will feel safer.
I
would not hesitate to recommend the Isuzu Trek to anyone as
long as they were comfortable not going fast up the grades.
the size, comfort, reliability, looks, quality and mileage
(11-14.5 miles / gallon - not sure how many kilometers per
liter that is!) are all outstanding.
-
I
have not experienced the problems that were listed by valley.net.
My coach is a gas engine. I have had very good luck with the
coach and can highly recommend it. Motor homes are rolling
houses and do require constant tightening and checking of
the components. I
hope this helps
-
The
"Lemon Trek" owners said..Sorry to dampen your enthusiasm
for the Trek. I purchased it for essentially the same reasons
you mentioned, and we have been very happy with the interior
design, and have not found another design that so closely
matches our needs. For that reason we still have the RV. I
keep thinking that the problems will end, but unfortunately
they do not.
More
on a Trek
Dale
DeRemer is a retiring college professor who has written 5 books
ranging from "Aircraft Systems for Pilots" to "Global
Navigation". At the moment he is spending a lot of re
time, trying to understand fulltiming, and learning in depth about
his Safari Trek Coach. He's offered to share his
expertise with our readers who may have an interest Trek.
deremer@aero.und.edu
I purchased
a 2002 2430 in California last month. The next day I noticed that
my instrument cluster was metric. I called workhorse, they checked
my coach I.D. # and found that Monaco had ordered this coach with
the metric 49 state emissions for Canadian delivery. I can not legaly
register it in CA. So far, Monaco says "tough".
Help.Thanks,
Bill
Notes
from a "Happy" Trek owner
The reason
why I decided on Trek. We have friends that have had different units
during the last 25 years, with the new one having everything we
need. But, within 6 months had sold it and looked for another unit.
During that 25 years they went though about 14-15 units, from Class
B to Class C and trailers. When they bought their Isuzu chassis
Trek they again said it had everything they needed. After having
had it for over 2 years they still had it. What better recommendation
could I have. They still have it 2 1/2 years later and are still
happy and content except for the hard truck ride from the solid
truck axle.
We have
had our 1999 Safari Trek 2480, 6.5 diesel model since Mar. 2000.
I wasn't intending to buy new, but the salesman convince me that
the price they were charging was like used, and it was. It had been
used for demo purposes and never sold. The salesman, Bill Young,
was extremely helpful and was able to get many of the warranty problems
corrected when others at the dealership were not helpful. Since
then he has retired and the Steve Austin has closed his shop in
Irvine, CA.
It has not been all positive or negative. The power thing was a
problem until about 14,500 miles. Then it appeared it was suddenly
broken in or whatever. Either I have gotten used to it or the break-in
was attributable. I usually tow a Chevrolet Geo Tracker that I don't
even know is there. Only a slight difference in speed on 5-6% grades.
I am able to maintain speeds minimums of 35 MPH on the Grapevine
or Cajon Passes. Still not the 50 MPH I would like, but still OK
by me. My mileage started at about 9.0 to 9.3 MPG. Since the 14,500
mile mark we now are getting 10.9 to 11.3 MPG, even towing. My first
thought was that I had a tune-up, but hadn't.
My major complaint from the on-set was steering. Wandering all over
the road making me work as I never intended to do again. Put on
Safety Plus and Henderson rear Stabilizer bar, with some improvement.
Complained to the Chevrolet dealers, three of them, but the last
one found the idler arm bearing were worn and replace them, under
warranty. Since then, I am not bother with the steering concerns
any more.
I also had an occasional problem with sewer gas in the coach. Tried
everything from extra through cleaning and most all chemicals available,
to checking out the vent pipe. Called Safari tech service and got
one of their better techs. He suggested I take it to Giant RV in
Upland and have them call him. They found the vent pipe from the
black water tank to the rear of the lav was OK, but from there it
had a negative flow. When ever liquid got in that negative area
it stopped the gas flow to the outside. So we got the smell in the
coach. That appears to be corrected now.
My thought is that Safari needed better quality control at that
time, both at the factory and the dealers shops. Quality control
costs money, but not nearly as much as the bad mouthing a dissatisfied
customer can loose them in future sales and market share. Hopefully
Monaco will improve that area so new owners don't have experience
the problems of the past. This is probably not a reasonable expectation
though.
Chuck Williamson
I have had many other problems that I have found easier to fix myself
rather the dealer.
We still like it and the enjoyment of it is even getting better.
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So
from most of the comments I have received it would appear that
often the dealer does a good job of selling the product but looses
the client on service... this is unforgivably true, too often,
everywhere...
I
had very positive feedback from the Editor of TREK TALK Newsletter,
tells me they are very sound and of the 80 owner he knows 20%
trade in each year for new models of Trek's so that is very positive.
What
do I like about the Pathfinder 2430 so much that I would with
this information carry on looking to buy one ...The size and they
layout it seems hard to get anything approaching this unit.
At
this point I thought perhaps I will find out where I can buy one....I
already had a list that I had built up from the internet so I
emailed Safari asking for a dealers list and asking for comments
about the problems of the "Lemon called Trek"
To
date I have had no satisfactory reply about why the lemon "Happened"
and on my request for a list of dealers well words fail me...would
you send a reply like this?
I
am in the Sales/Marketing Dept for SMC Corp.
We do not give out a list of dealers. What we do here is connect
the customer with a dealer in your area. We usually go by zip
codes for this procedure. As we do not have dealers outside the
Continental US we do not send out information packs either. When
you get to the US if you will please let us know the area you
are in, by zip code or state and city, we will be glad to give
you the name of a dealer in that area.
Thank you for your interest.
Have a nice evening.
So
no reply on the Lemon, No you can't have a list of Dealers, No
we won't send you any information on what you want to buy, (but
have a nice evening).... just fly to the States...when you get
there telephone us and we will tell you if you have chosen a city
where we have a dealer....Wow! Russian roulette Safari style.
They really are out there helping their dealers making sales.
Perhaps they don't want to issue a list in case purchasers trade
one dealer off against another....
I
want to fly into the States, to a area that is "user friendly"
to foreigners for all of the red tape involved in insurance etc,
to a location where I know there will be a Trek of the model I
require, that is available. I would want to buy off a Dealer
that knows that I am coming that has agreed there will be no "stuffing"
around like has happened to other Trek owners.
But No help from Safari! You're on your own Kid !
So
it looks like I will have to get back onto the internet and start
looking.
Visit
the Trek website
Visit TREK
TRACKS Message board... a must
Check
out my points rating for
Motorhomes
compared with
Caravans (Trailers) compared with
UK Via USA made compared with
5th wheel
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Safarifriends/ for lots of Trek info. Also
get subscription to TREK TALK newsletter from Trektalk@earthlink.net.
This
is Trek specific info and well worth it for the $12.00/YEAR cost
(in the
USA). We own a '93 Safari Kalahari 30ft 6.5Turbo pusher. This
was a
limited production coach tha combined many Trek features including
the MAGIC BED on a Spartan (vs GMC) chassis. Had few problems
with the Safari built systems, but many with the powertrain until
I made the modifications that were recommended by the DIESEL PAGE.
Used Treks in the $40-60,000 range are a good choice. In addition,
since MONACO purchased Safari I have heard nothing but good about
factory service and support. RUSSELL WARREN
I
own a Safari Sahara but have many friends that own Treks. ("Trekees")
They all love 'em! They have what are called Trek Fun Clubs where
they get together to party and talk Treks and compare coaches.
The only reason anyone I know traded in their Treks was for more
room. I know one couple that lives in their 24' Trek full time.
Another spend about 6 months of the year in thiers. To enjoy a
Trek one must come to terms with the Magic Bed. You either love
it, or hate it. If my wife and I went to bed at the same time
AND watched the same TV programs.... we'd probably be Trekees.
The Banks Engineering exhaust system does wonders for power/performance
of the Chevy 454 cid engine. It consists mainly of exhaust headers,
full flow thru muffler(s), can include dual exhausts, better intake
air filters, etc. All of which relieve exhaust pressure.
Most hereabouts do not prefer the diesel versions. The Isuzu is
notoriously underpowered and only found in older coaches.
Even Trekees consider the price ($112,000+) of the new Treks to
be excessive. Also, almost unanimously they do not like the 2001/2002
Trek with the sloped front. That is why the new 2003 Trek goes
back to the straight front of the earlier Treks.
martysusrv.com is another
Safari site. Bob Reed, Nashua, NH, US
Notes
from a "Happy" Trek owner
As
a Trek owner I enjoyed your very unbiased trip through Trekland.
I Love my Trek (a 1994 Izusu Diesel with Magic Bed AND rear twin
beds!)
This model ain't the greatest mountain climber but it gets there.
You learn how to use the "running start" going up a
hill and the "jake brake" using the engine to brake
down hill. I have traversed the Rocky Mountains and managed to
get to the Telluride, Colorado film festival at an altitude of
about 11,000 feet! I have driven the Trek about 50,000 miles in
two years. One flat tire. I now have the Safety Plus steering
assist and new Bilstein shock absorbers (custom made by Bilstein
for the Trek Isuzu) and it improved the steering 50%, (Actually
a lot more but I want to be conservative!). I have had some leaking
problems with the roof.
Actually it was around where the awning is attached. And around
the TV antenna., I am not a full timer or a part timer....I am
an "any time I can- ner". But I have averaged 25,000
miles a year. A trip around the world. We are in the TV production
business and use it to travel to locations. Once during a rain
storm we had 11 people sleeping in beds, sleeping bads and even
on the front console and chairs. Currently my plan is to repaint
the lower third of the unit as it is a bit tarnished as the decals
have crackled in a few places. Mileage is an honest 12 mpg of
number 2 diesel. (Last summer our long 3,500 mile trip was an
average of $1.20 (US) a gallon!). The Trek Fun Clubs are great.
The SouthEastern Trek Fun Club has a pre-rally (meeting before
the Eastern Homecoming of Safari/ Monaco at Cypress Gardens, Florida)
Jan. 21st I believe. As a Trekker you'd enjoy the Fun Clubs. Lots
of good help from other Trekkers on how to modify and maintain
their coaches. And, great people. Any couple (man and wife) (single
with significant other) or (man and man) (woman and woman!) that
can live together in the Trek has got to be compatible with a
harmonius relationship!
Ivan. As we say: "KEEP ON TREKKIN'" MELVYNBS@AOL.COM
MEL SMITH
Width
of Trek's
Treks, the Iszui chassis, 1991 to 1994 were 90" wide.
The
P-30/32 chassis, 1995 to 2002 are 96" wide
In
2003 Monaco built all their units 100.5 inches wide.
The
RV Rating book arrived today and the state......Because of its wheelbase
it was considered dangerous! They issued a cautionary
note on its payload. It had a highway safety factor of 43%
and on a one to five star rating with five star being tops it had no stars. Since
writing this I have spoken with people that own a Trek and it would
appear that there is a difference in Theory & practice.... if
I was in the market for a M/H I would possibly consider a Trek whoever
the back service still seems
to be a problem....there does appear to be a problem with some aspects
of its finish! (2002)I do beleive the ownership has changed and so the service
has changed to the better, it is only a rumour.
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